Tash Cox in long conversation with artists, tour managers, promoters and festival founders. The music business and the craft, life on the road and off it.https://www.tourouter.comen-ushttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-40-ali-mojallalhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-40-ali-mojallalAli has been DJing as DJ Savak since long before the festival existed, and Mechanismus started as a night dedicated to one thing: promoting industrial music, the artists making it, and the DJs playing it. In May 2018 he teamed up with the Highline for the 10 year anniversary show, MechFest, and turned a club night into the biggest industrial festival Seattle had seen, which has kept growing from there. (1h 31m)Mon, 10 Aug 2026 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-39-nitehttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-39-niteKyle and Myles were born in Winnipeg and grew up on their dad's Cure DVDs, which is the origin story they still point to when anyone asks how two twins ended up making music this hard-wired to the 80s. They landed in Dallas, started NITE as a producer-brothers project, and put out their debut I Am Not Afraid in 2013. Reborn followed in 2017, Sleepless in 2020 (with a remix companion the following year), and the Hallelujah Your Ego is Gone EP in 2022. Somewhere in there drummer Phil Helms (formerly of The Vanished) joined the live lineup, and NITE turned into a band that could actually deliver on record and on stage in equal measure. (1h 38m)Mon, 03 Aug 2026 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-38-bellheadhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-38-bellheadBellhead came together in 2019 the way real bands come together, not by design but by accident. Ivan and Karen had orbited each other in the Chicago scene for years, playing in the same band at different times, until a run of unfortunate lineup collapses left them both band-less at the same time. During a Chicago blizzard, they got extremely drunk, passed out watching To Wong Foo, Thanks For Everything, Julie Newmar, and woke up as Bellhead. They played their first show that summer, and the concept, two basses (Ivan on high bass and vocals and drum programming, Karen on low bass and vocals), no guitar, no filler, was there from the first note. (1h 42m)Mon, 20 Jul 2026 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-37-naika-malveaux-dj-whisperwishhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-37-naika-malveaux-dj-whisperwishNaika grew up as a military kid living overseas in Germany, came up through the Art Institute of Houston, and by 2004 was DJing his own residencies in the Houston underground scene at nights he built from scratch: HaVoK and aTaXia. HaVoK started in a sushi restaurant on the corner of Richmond and Chimney Rock and became the room the mainstream clubs weren't willing to be, a home for industrial, darkwave, EBM, and 80s alternative when nowhere else in town would program it. That room turned into a brand, and the brand turned into HaVoK Events, the promotion company he still runs today, building a Texas circuit for touring acts who otherwise wouldn't have a room to play. (1h 32m)Mon, 13 Jul 2026 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-36-john-calaccihttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-36-john-calacciJohn currently tour-manages The Bangles, a role he's held for nearly two decades, and his client list reads like a who's-who of American songwriting: Lucinda Williams, Shelby Lynne, Belinda Carlisle, Rickie Lee Jones, Judith Owen, The Long Ryders, and Peter Asher. He's the guy artists call when they need a tour run right. (1h 51m)Mon, 08 Jun 2026 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-35-rogue-of-cruxshadowshttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-35-rogue-of-cruxshadowsRogue formed The Crüxshadows in Tallahassee, Florida in 1992 with Sean Flanagan and Tim Curry. When both founding members left in 1997, Rogue absorbed the band's contracts and creative direction, taught himself synthesizers and programming, and rebuilt The Crüxshadows around his own voice. The band relocated to Jacksonville, signed with Dancing Ferret Discs for 1997's Telemetry of a Fallen Angel, and in 2009 Rogue founded Wishfire Records to release everything that came after on his own terms. (2h 11m)Mon, 18 May 2026 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-34-julian-shah-tayler-aka-the-singularityhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-34-julian-shah-tayler-aka-the-singularityBorn in Leeds and now based in Los Angeles, Julian came up through the British scene with the electro-clash band Whitey under the wing of Creation Records' Alan McGee before relocating stateside to build The Singularity into a singular solo project. His collaborator list reads like a wishlist of art-rock royalty: Mike Garson and Carmine Rojas (David Bowie), David J (Bauhaus), Alain Whyte (Morrissey), Robert Margouleff (Stevie Wonder, Devo), and Siobhan Fahey (Bananarama, Shakespears Sister), plus remix and vocal work with Beauty in Chaos, Wayne Hussey of The Mission, and a Depeche Mode covers contribution that landed on a #1 German covers album. (2h 27m)Mon, 04 May 2026 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-33-charles-rehill-lost-signalhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-33-charles-rehill-lost-signalSince signing his first record deal as a teenager in the late '90s, Charles Rehill has carved out a singular path through the world of electronic music, from production and sound design work for synth manufacturers to crafting the haunting, emotionally charged soundscapes of Lost Signal. Based in upstate New York, where he records on his 18th century farm in the Catskill Mountains, Rehill is a collector of hardware synthesizers whose sonic palette draws from the melodic grandeur of Vangelis to the modern minimalism of Ólafur Arnalds. (1h 37m)Mon, 20 Apr 2026 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-32-curse-mackeyhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-32-curse-mackeyKnown for his commanding solo work and collaborations with genre luminaries including Pigface, My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult, David J (Bauhaus / Love & Rockets), and Clan of Xymox, Curse has built a legacy on pushing sonic and visual boundaries from stages across North America and Europe. His latest solo album Imaginary Enemies - the final chapter in a trilogy that began with Instant Exorcism (2019) and Immoral Emporium (2022) - was ranked the #1 album on Regen Magazine's Top 50 of 2025. (1h 41m)Mon, 13 Apr 2026 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-31-ian-rosshttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-31-ian-rossIan's story is one of persistence, reinvention, and coming back from the dead. He started Flesh Field in 1996 as a junior in high school in Columbus, Ohio, armed with a 4-track recorder, a drum machine, and a guitar with only three strings. By 1999, the project's debut album Viral Extinction hit #18 on the CMJ RPM Charts, and Flesh Field went on to release through Metropolis Records and Dependent Records, tour North America and Europe, and perform at Germany's M'era Luna Festival. Their music landed in HBO's True Blood, the Hulu film The Mill, and video games like Project Gotham Racing and Crackdown. (1h 38m)Mon, 30 Mar 2026 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-30-ty-oliverhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-30-ty-oliverTy's path through music reads like a choose-your-own-adventure book. He started on drums, switched to guitar, and eventually landed in Powerman 5000, where he played alongside Spider One from 2015 to 2022, touring relentlessly and recording as part of one of the most recognizable industrial/alt-metal acts of the late '90s and 2000s. In 2024, he joined Orgy as their guitarist, adding another chapter to an already stacked resume. (1h 28m)Mon, 09 Mar 2026 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-29-nina-heckman-metropolis-recordshttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-29-nina-heckman-metropolis-recordsMetropolis Records has been one of the most important independent labels in electronic and industrial music since its founding in Philadelphia in 1993. For over three decades, it has served as the U.S. home for acts like Front Line Assembly, VNV Nation, Skinny Puppy, The Birthday Massacre, KMFDM, Clan of Xymox, Peter Murphy, Assemblage 23, and hundreds more, bridging the gap between the European underground and American audiences when no one else would. (1h 40m)Mon, 02 Mar 2026 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-28-daniel-graveshttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-28-daniel-gravesDaniel Graves is the founder, songwriter, and producer behind Aesthetic Perfection, an electronic music project that has been shaping the industrial, EBM, and synthpop landscape since its beginnings in Los Angeles in 2000. Over more than two decades, Daniel has continuously evolved his sound, blending driving rhythms, emotional melodies, and dark atmospheres while remaining deeply connected to the energy of live performance. (1h 48m)Mon, 09 Feb 2026 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-27-mark-gemini-thwaitehttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-27-mark-gemini-thwaiteMark Gemini Thwaite (aka MGT) is a British guitarist, songwriter, and producer whose career spans more than three decades and a staggering range of styles, from goth and industrial to rock and post-punk. Born in Birmingham, England, Mark began playing in local bands before moving into the broader UK and international music scene. He first gained wide attention as guitarist for The Mission, contributing to classic releases and touring extensively throughout the UK and Europe. (2h 2m)Mon, 02 Feb 2026 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-26-sinehttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-26-sineRona Rougeheart is the creative force behind SINE, an electronic/industrial music project rooted in dark synth, rhythmic pulse, and a lifelong passion for sound exploration. Born in New York and now based in Austin, Texas, Rona grew up surrounded by music - taught keyboards and guitar by her father, and drawn early on to beat-driven rhythms and synth-forward bands like Depeche Mode, Curve, The Cure, and The Smiths. Her musical journey moved naturally from piano to guitar to drums, and eventually into electronic music production, where she could blend beats, melody, and mood on her own terms . (1h 42m)Mon, 19 Jan 2026 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-25-john-giovanazzihttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-25-john-giovanazziJohn is the incredible creative director and booker for Das Bunker, LA’s beloved industrial club night which is celebrating its 30th anniversary this year! What started in 1996 in a former dive bar in Long Beach quickly grew into a defining voice for the industrial, EBM, and dark electronic scene in Los Angeles and beyond. At a time when much of the local nightlife was stuck playing the same old retro hits, Das Bunker became a place for European cold EBM, electro, goth, and harder, darker sounds -- carving out new space for fans who wanted something deeper and more adventurous. (49m)Mon, 12 Jan 2026 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-24-statikhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-24-statikStatik is the sonic architect behind Collide’s immersive blend of darkwave, trip-hop, and industrial atmospheres. With over three decades of experience, he has built a career that moves fluidly between the underground and the mainstream—working in the studio with artists like Prince, Michael Jackson, System of the Down, Tool, and Skinny Puppy (to name a few!) while also crafting Collide’s distinctive, fiercely independent sound alongside vocalist kaRIN. (1h 39m)Mon, 18 Aug 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-23-eli-levhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-23-eli-levEli Lev's music is a heartfelt blend of folk, Americana, and heartfelt storytelling, enriched by a lifelong journey of cultural immersion and artistic risk-taking. He rose to prominence with The Four Directions Project, a set of four interconnected EPs—All Roads East (2017), Way Out West (2018), Deep South (2019), and True North (2021)—inspired by the indigenous traditions he encountered while teaching on the Navajo Nation in Northern Arizona . (1h 36m)Mon, 11 Aug 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-22-ryan-hutmanhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-22-ryan-hutmanRyan’s journey began with HARDWIRE in the late 1990s, and over the past two decades, he's performed extensively across North America, Europe, and Latin America—both with HARDWIRE and later with KREIGN. In live settings, Ryan brings visceral energy through commanding vocals, aggressive beats, and a no-frills EBM ethos that connects deeply with fans of industrial soundscapes. (1h 38m)Mon, 04 Aug 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-21-curse-mackeyhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-21-curse-mackeyKnown for his commanding, theatrical live performances, Curse Mackey has toured extensively across North America and Europe both as a solo artist and as a key member or collaborator in legendary acts like Pigface, My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult, and Evil Mothers. His dynamic stage presence and evocative vocals have earned him a reputation as a must‑see performer in the underground scene, performing alongside the likes of Skinny Puppy, Clan of Xymox, and Thrill Kill Kult, while also supporting his own distinct solo sets across major festivals and DIY venues alike. (1h 35m)Mon, 21 Jul 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-20-jason-corbett-of-actorshttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-20-jason-corbett-of-actorsBased in Vancouver, Jason Corbett is the lead vocalist, guitarist, producer, and creative architect of ACTORS—a band that has earned an international reputation for their sleek, emotionally charged sound that fuses the spirit of classic post-punk with modern synth and darkwave textures. Formed in 2012, ACTORS features a powerhouse live lineup with Jason joined by Shannon Hemmett (synths & vocals), Adam Fink (drums), and Kendall Wooding (bass & vocals). (1h 49m)Mon, 07 Jul 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-19-jc-lobo-of-ritualzhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-19-jc-lobo-of-ritualzKnown for his intense, immersive live performances, Ritualz (a.k.a. Juan Carlos “JC” Lobo Garcia) has been a pioneering force in the dark electronic and witch-house scenes since the early 2010s. With releases like Doom and Radical Macabro, he’s carved out a distinct sound - equal parts haunting atmosphere and industrial aggression - that resonates with underground audiences around the world. (1h 32m)Fri, 20 Jun 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-18-krystal-garcia-of-distorted-heartbeathttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-18-krystal-garcia-of-distorted-heartbeatWhat began as a music blog in 2016 has evolved into so much more. Distorted Heartbeat is now a respected hub for artist features, reviews, interviews, and curated playlists—and has expanded its mission by booking shows and live events that features a diverse selection of artists, both regionally and nationally. Krystal has made it her mission to both document and build the underground, helping bands not just get heard, but get on stage. (1h 40m)Fri, 13 Jun 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-17-the-russian-whitehttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-17-the-russian-whiteKnown for their cinematic sound and genre-bending blend of post-punk, witch house, and synth-heavy industrial, Tom Rhymer and Michael Colon of The Russian White have built a reputation for intense, atmospheric performances that hit as hard visually as they do sonically. Their latest album, Funeral Art, released on Distortion Productions, captures the raw energy of their live sets while diving deeper into their evolving sound. (1h 46m)Fri, 06 Jun 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-16-rodney-orpheus-of-the-cassanda-complexhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-16-rodney-orpheus-of-the-cassanda-complexFormed in 1980 in Leeds, England, The Cassandra Complex blends elements of industrial, gothic rock, darkwave, and post-punk, creating a sound that’s been described as a fusion of Joy Division, the Ramones, and Kraftwerk. With a career spanning over four decades, the band has released influential albums like Grenade, Cyberpunx, and The Plague. (1h 21m)Fri, 30 May 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-15-donna-lynch-steven-archer-ego-likenesshttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-15-donna-lynch-steven-archer-ego-likenessFormed in 1999 in Baltimore, Maryland, Ego Likeness is the creative partnership of vocalist/lyricist Donna Lynch and multi-instrumentalist/producer Steven Archer. Their music blends elements of goth, industrial, rock, and electronic dance, creating a sound that is both haunting and deeply human. Over the years, they've released several full-length albums, including Water to the Dead, Breedless, and When the Wolves Return, and have toured extensively across North America and Europe. (2h 7m)Mon, 28 Apr 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-14-dj-spiderhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-14-dj-spiderDJ Spider is the driving force behind Digital Noir, Charlotte's premier goth and industrial dance night. Known for her eclectic sets that blend classic and contemporary darkwave, EBM, and industrial tracks, she has cultivated a loyal following and has been instrumental in bringing the community together through music. Her contributions have not only energized the local scene but have also resonated with audiences beyond Charlotte.​ (1h 45m)Mon, 21 Apr 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-13-ken-magerman-collin-schipper-of-amaranthhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-13-ken-magerman-collin-schipper-of-amaranthHailing from Kalamazoo, Michigan, Amaranth rides the razor wire between gallows humor and progressive anguish, combining lush textures with biting lyrical themes. With Ken Magerman on vocals and Collin Schipper handling production and bass, the band has carved out a space that feels both deeply personal and rooted in the broader dark music movement. Their work often features collaborations with a who's who of the modern dark alternative scene, bringing together a wide range of voices under one emotionally charged umbrella. (1h 38m)Mon, 14 Apr 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-12-mark-paradise-of-communion-after-darkhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-12-mark-paradise-of-communion-after-darkMark has been part of the dark electronic music world since the late '80s, when he first got hooked after hearing Microchip League’s "New York New York." Since then, he’s become a familiar name in the scene, known for his thoughtful curation and deep love for the music. (1h 8m)Mon, 07 Apr 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-11-adam-smithhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-11-adam-smithAdam is someone we met while touring through Albuquerque and have since formed a great friendship with him. He is an artist and multi-instrumentalist, and a figurehead in hardcore and DIY music scenes from ABQ to San Francisco, and is chock full of incredible insight and wisdom when it comes to everything from DIY touring to putting together shows. All around, he is a pillar of the live music scene and we're so happy to have him on 🙂 (1h 57m)Mon, 24 Mar 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-10-jennifer-parkin-and-eric-gottesmanhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-10-jennifer-parkin-and-eric-gottesmanThis is a live, no-holds-barred hang with two legends of the electronic and industrial music scene. We’re diving into their journeys, creative processes, and all the wild stories from life on the road. Got a question? Drop it in the chat—we’ll get to as many as we can. (1h 36m)Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-9-elizabeth-inglese-of-yes-music-productionshttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-9-elizabeth-inglese-of-yes-music-productionsThis is a completely live, interactive sit-down with the amazing Elizabeth Inglese. Come to the virtual hang and bring any questions you might have—we’ll answer them live on the stream. (1h 58m)Mon, 10 Mar 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-8-jim-semonikhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-8-jim-semonikThis is a completely live, interactive sit-down with the incredible Jim Semonik. Come to the virtual hang and bring any questions you might have—we’ll answer them live on the stream. (1h 49m)Mon, 03 Mar 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-7-kai-kurosawahttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-7-kai-kurosawaThis is a completely live, interactive sit down with the amazing Kai... Come to the virtual hang and bring any questions you might have, and we'll answer them live on the stream. (1h 53m)Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-6-lindsay-schoolcrafthttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-6-lindsay-schoolcraftThis is a completely live, interactive sit down with the amazing Lindsay Schoolcraft... Come to the virtual hang and bring any questions you might have, and we'll answer them live on the stream. (1h 50m)Mon, 10 Feb 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-5-steven-seiboldhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-5-steven-seiboldSteven Seibold is a multifaceted musician, producer, and artist with a truly distinctive creative vision. Best known for his work in the influential industrial-rock bands Hate Dept. and Pigface, Steven has spent decades pushing musical boundaries and experimenting with new sounds. His career has seen him tour internationally, collaborate with a wide array of artists, and build a reputation as an innovative force within the industrial and alternative music scenes. (1h 43m)Mon, 03 Feb 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-4-clint-carneyhttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-4-clint-carneyClint is a filmmaker, musician, and artist with a unique creative vision. As a filmmaker, he is best known for his work on the critically acclaimed feature film Dry Blood, which he wrote and starred in. Clint is also the frontman for the industrial band System Syn and has collaborated on numerous projects across the music and film worlds. His work blends dark, thought-provoking themes with visually stunning aesthetics, making him a force to be reckoned with in both industries. (1h 11m)Mon, 27 Jan 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-3-jan-michael-alejandrohttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-3-jan-michael-alejandroOn our upcoming Sunday stream at 3pm PST, we are featuring our amazing friend Jan Michael Alejandro. Jan is a multi-dimensional artist who has had so many incredible experiences working as a tech and roadie for artists such as Iggy Pop, David Bowie, James Taylor, and Blondie, to name a few. He started a road case company called Jan-Al Cases in 1983 and has created his legendary cases for artists such as Foo Fighters, Metallica, The Rolling Stones, and Lady Gaga, as well as the LA Dodgers and LA philharmonic. (1h 10m)Mon, 13 Jan 2025 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-2https://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-2We are so excited to welcome Jared Christianson of the technical death metal band ARKAIK to our Unwritten Rules of the Road video series with a live stream this Sunday! (1h 17m)Mon, 04 Mar 2024 12:00:00 GMThttps://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-1https://www.tourouter.com/podcast/ep-1The Unwritten Rules of the Road will be a combination blog and video series with live streams and interviews with people who are on the ground level in the touring world: musicians, promoters, set builders, venue owners, and more! Our mission is to provide an educational resource to artists of all types who want to get into touring but may not know just how to do it... Or maybe you are already touring but just want to figure out a way to level up. With your host Tash Cox (who is a seasoned DIY tour booker and touring artist herself), we shall guide you. (1h 33m)Mon, 19 Feb 2024 12:00:00 GMT